Thorne Basic vs. Pure Genomics:
- Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5′-Phosphate) 20 mg – PG doesn’t contain this activated form of this most important vitamin for our mood repair and reducing estrogen.
- Thiamin B-1. 50 mg vs. PG’s combined total of two forms of thiamine 3 mg.
- B12 – you can decide for yourself. Methylcobalamin can be very important for those who need methyl groups. But, agitating to those with problems in their methyl cycle. I do not understand this. All I know is that I’ve been taking methyl form the past few months and I’m overall way better than before, so I assume that it’s not messing me up and may be helping.
- 2x chromium, which I sense is important for our blood sugars.
- There is copper in Thorne but not in Pure Genomics. I’m not going to worry about it. It also contains zinc and I’m eating sesame tahini every day for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. And pumpkin seeds the other two weeks.
- Thorne is missing choline & inositol (see action plan below).
- My doctor liked the form of zinc Bisglycinate in Thorne better than the zinc citrate in PG.
Thorne Basic vs. Metabolic Synergy
- Some of the basic stuff is very high in MS, so you could take 4 capsules instead of 6 but then you would be getting less of some of the other important stuff. So, balancing price and nutrients, I think Thorne Basic still wins. However, there are some ingredients in MS that I would like to learn more about or consider adding some other way: potassium, ALA, Carnosine and Vanadium. Also, I already know I would be adding Taurine and Inositol. By the way, Carnosine and Taurine are not found in whey or collagen.
Rachel’s Action Plan: (July 2016)
- Take Thorne Basic Nutrients 2/day
- Do not add a B-complex. (This is another big benefit to justify the cost of the Thorne Basic.)
- Add L-5-MTHF Folate maybe. Or at least be eating lots of leafy greens for folate. UPDATE: Originally I mentioned adding sublingual B12. I will not likely be doing that as I have done a course of sublingual B12. But, I will, as you should also, continue learning whether I need the extra B12 support. The Thorne Basic contains 600 mcg, but it’s not sublingual. Adding more could/should be safe if you need to get some sublingually. But, if you do, be sure to add the L-5-MTHF.
- If you are taking D, consider taking Thorne D+K drops under your tongue. The dosage math gets complicated but gets you some vitamin K if your gut flora is messed up. (If you have to choose between K drops and probiotics, choose the probiotics. But, the K drops can be pretty darn cheap when you figure out that you only need 1 bottle per year and you can probably share that with your kids.) Update: Yes the Thorne Basic does contain some Vit K.
- Add inositol (reduce anxiety) and phosphatidyl choline (from sunflower not soy). My doc said take the choline, as opposed to tumeric, which I asked her about. (I am finishing up products, and haven’t figured out best product yet.) Brands of phosphatidyl choline that she mentioned were: Thorne, Zymogen, Orthomolecular, and Seeking Health.
- Add Taurine – this is cheap esp. if you buy bulk powder. I’m buying NOW brand.
- Of course, take additional Vitamin C with every meal.
- Investigate how much B6 I might actually need. Perhaps I need more? I will keep learning and referencing the mood cure books. Further Investigation: I believe it was a WAPF article that recomnends 100-200mg B6 daily for reducing estrogen and dealing with PMS. How much does Joan Mathews Larson recommend for mood?
I think the general feeling I get looking over the numbers here is that the Thorne Basic is like getting a B-complex already in it. If I were to take the Pure Encapsulations O.N.E. or Genomics I would have to add a B complex. I just looked at my Jarrow B Right bottle (I’ve take 2-3 bottles of this the past couple months) and compared it. I like the numbers of the Thorne Basic as it includes similar amounts of B’s as to the Jarrow B Right. The Pure Encapsulations O.N.E. or Genomics have very low amounts of B’s. And, again, the forms of the B’s are looking good in the Thorne (activated forms). There could be some questions for different people about the form of the B12, whether you want methylcobalamin, or adenosylcobalamin/ hydroxycobalamin (which the Pure Encaps contains). My doc mentioned some people are sensitive to the methyl B12 because of some methylation defects. I don’t know about myself on that yet, but I don’t think I’m that sensitive. She mentioned knowing this by methylcobalamin being “agitating” and I took her meaning to be a noticeable nervous system agitation.
I guess I am looking for an overall simple solution, and hopefully simplicity will also help me shave some cost off of my total supplement bill.